Mail Log for Organizing the Project Team
From escargo Thu Jan 8 14:50:52 1998
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From: escargo (David S. Cargo)
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Jeff, I don't think you were there after class yesterday, but Brad
Hokanson came up and introduced himself to me (because I was someone
approaching his own age!), and wanted to know if we might want him on
our project team.
I was able to find two web pages that seem to deal with him (or somebody
else named Brad Hokanson):
http://www.ifi.uib.no/cce/institute/stud/bradh.html and
http://dha.che.umn.edu/Hokanson/Hokanson.html
Personally, I think having a design person on the team might be useful.
(Otherwise we are all pretty much CSci-type people, as near as I can
tell.)
Having a fifth person complicates things, but might get us a better
project outcome.
What do you people think?
(I'll be updating http://www.skypoint.com/members/escargo/csci5110.htm
tonight.)
dsc
From corey@itlabs.umn.edu Thu Jan 8 15:01:51 1998
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From: "Corey L. Carlson"
Subject: Re: Brad Hokanson
To: escargo@anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:01:29 -0600 (CST)
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> Jeff, I don't think you were there after class yesterday, but Brad
> Hokanson came up and introduced himself to me (because I was someone
> approaching his own age!), and wanted to know if we might want him on
> our project team.
I personally think it would be a great idea. The professor said that
he would allow groups of 4 to pick up one of the non-csci people as a
fifth if I recall correctly. This should not be a problem unless it
makes meetings nearly impossible. A little different viewpoint usually
helps a design type project.
-Corey-
From ryex0006@itlabs.umn.edu Thu Jan 8 15:06:42 1998
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From: "Jeffrey M. Rye"
To: "David S. Cargo"
Subject: Re: Brad Hokanson
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I think he would be a valuable addition to our group. I was going to
suggest one of my fellow TA's for CSci 3113 (as he is taking User
Interface too), but I held off because of the number of people.
Jeff
ryex0006@gold.tc.umn.edu
ryex0006@itlabs.umn.edu
jrye@pigchamp.caps.umn.edu
From corey@itlabs.umn.edu Thu Jan 8 15:25:44 1998
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Subject: Re: Brad Hokanson
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:25:27 -0600 (CST)
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> By now you should have seen a mailer-daemon message. It's "dang0019"
> and not "deng0019". I had it wrong the first time.
>
> dsc
>
Yep, got it. Now I set up an alias, so hopefully I wont miss it again.
I forwarded him a copy to the correct address.
The mail list thing is still a good idea though.
What name should we give it?
fantastic4 #Will we have 5 soon?
cargo-net #Small network involving D. Cargo
furps #Name borrowed from last quaerter's soft.
#engineering group. Borrowed from HP
Functionality, Usability, Reliability, Performance, Supportability
furps2 #Just so the name doesn't hex the project.
bob #a name my co-worker names just about anything.
That's all I can think of for now.
Later,
-Corey-
From escargo Thu Jan 8 15:32:49 1998
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From: escargo (David S. Cargo)
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Personally, I have thought of using cargo-net for different purposes
(I have two computers and a router at home, bridged into my work place
via ISDN; only one computer is operational right now, so my network
has two nodes).
I might be tempted to just call it ccdr (Cargo, Carlson, Dang, Rye).
It would also be a computer science pun.
What do you think?
dsc
From escargo Fri Jan 9 09:04:49 1998
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From: escargo (David S. Cargo)
To: corey@itlabs.umn.edu, ryex0006@itlabs.umn.edu, dang0019@tc.umn.edu
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I have updated http://www.skypoint.com/members/escargo/csci5110.htm;
please take a look at it.
When you look at the Project Overview list, there is a link for
"Organize Project Team" that connects to my mail log. One of my project
ideas is a program that takes mail archives and makes them convenient
for web access. (I had to hand edit the mail archive to turn it into
HTML; it could be done more automatically.) I would find this useful
myself and I think it would be potentially useful to lots of other people.
The fact that it would be used to help document the project itself is
a big plus.
At least 3 of the 4 of us want Brad Hokanson to join the project.
One thing we haven't determined is how we, as a project team, make
decisions. If it's majority rule, then we have a conclusion. If it
is by concensus, then we still need to hear from Quang-Tuyen.
I would also like to know what else to add to the "Project Members" table.
If any of you have web pages you would like me to link to, let me know
and I will add them.
See you Monday.
dsc
From dang0019@gold.tc.umn.edu Fri Jan 9 09:51:32 1998
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From: Quang-Tuyen Dang
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To: "David S. Cargo"
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Hello all,
Having five members in the team is fine to me, especially one
non-programmer. I wonder whether we should wait to talk to him on Monday
before making our final invitation.
Have a nice day.
Quang-Tuyen Dang
From escargo Fri Jan 9 10:02:24 1998
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From: escargo (David S. Cargo)
To: dang0019@gold.tc.umn.edu
Subject: Re: Brad Hokanson
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Well, from talking to him it sounded like he was definitely interested
in us (if only because I'm possibly even older than he is). We can
only decide to ask him; we can't make him join.
There's still the problem of finding a suitable project team meeting
time. I would like to do everything possible (including setting up
that mailing list, Corey--hint, hint), to allow communication via
e-mail.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm an extension student. I
work at Network Systems and sit in front of my terminal about 7 hours a
day (depending on how many meetings I have). That makes e-mail a prime
way to keep in contact. I can't just casually meet the rest of you
on campus. (I can meet with you on campus, but it takes a bit of
planning.)
Like I have been saying, keeping our mail archive will make generating
our project logs a lot easier.
dsc
From ryex0006@itlabs.umn.edu Fri Jan 9 10:45:19 1998
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From: "Jeffrey M. Rye"
To: "David S. Cargo"
Subject: Re: Please check my web page
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I took a look at the project page. I think it looks really good. I
noticed that you don't have my home or work phones.
Here they are:
home: 920-4836
work: 624-1782
Jeff
ryex0006@gold.tc.umn.edu
ryex0006@itlabs.umn.edu
jrye@pigchamp.caps.umn.edu
From corey@itlabs.umn.edu Fri Jan 9 11:45:35 1998
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From: "Corey L. Carlson"
Subject: Mail list
To: escargo@nsco.network.com, dang0019@tc.umn.edu, ryex0006@tc.umn.edu
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:45:16 -0600 (CST)
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> time. I would like to do everything possible (including setting up
> that mailing list, Corey--hint, hint), to allow communication via
> e-mail.
Okay here is how the mail list works. I send email with a list of
addresses and a list name to someone else who magically creates a list
for us.
The list ends up as
calvin-@dagobah.stwing.upenn.edu
So the first order of business is select a string that we can remember
and identifies us in some way. Second is to determine whether or not
we have a 5th member. This service will be provided from a friend of
a friend so I would like to have the list final before having it set up.
For the string I would like something short and easy to remember, that
is about my only requirement.
For the email addresses.
escargo@network.com
dang0019@tc.umn.edu
ryex0006@tc.umn.edu
corey@itlabs.umn.edu
#possibly 5th member here
#an address for David's email archive ????
Is there anything else I'm missing?
If not then lets have some discussion on the name.
Later,
Corey
From dang0019@gold.tc.umn.edu Fri Jan 9 12:26:13 1998
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From: Quang-Tuyen Dang
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To: "Corey L. Carlson"
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Hello all,
One suggestion is "ui98".
Hope it can help.
Quang
From escargo Fri Jan 9 13:48:17 1998
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From: escargo (David S. Cargo)
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Corey, if you can get a listserv set up at upenn.edu, I'm impressed.
The e-mail address for Brad Hokanson is hokan001@maroon.tc.umn.edu,
based on his voicemail response. (I tried to call him to invite him
to join us, but he was out of his office.)
The e-mail addresses to go onto the listserv should probably be the
preferred ones out of my table in my project page. (This means changing
some of the data around and changing labels from "Work e-mail" and
"Home e-mail" to "Preferred e-mail" and "Secondary e-mail".)
That was a hint to let me know what addresses you have and what your
preferred one is. (It appears that our team members have anywhere between
one and three valid e-mail addresses.)
I notice that some UofM addresses are @tc.umn.edu and others are
@maroon.tc.umn.edu and @gold.tc.umn.edu. Are these differences important?
I want to get them right.
dsc
From dang0019@gold.tc.umn.edu Fri Jan 9 14:14:37 1998
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From: Quang-Tuyen Dang
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To: CSCI-5110 group , escargo@anubis.network.com,
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David:
tc.umn.edu, gold.tc.umn.edu, or maroon.tc.umn.edu are all valid for
email addresses at the U. In future, you won't see gold or maroon anymore
because they all will be converted to just .......@tc.umn.edu. However,
the change won't be made at least this quarter. That's what I heard from
one of my classes regarding offical email address issue. :-))
Quang
From escargo Fri Jan 9 15:08:03 1998
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From: escargo (David S. Cargo)
To: hokan001@tc.umn.edu
Subject: Care to join us?
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Everyone on the project team is enthused about you joining us, if
you are of a mind to. I called your office, but you weren't in
at the time.
If you can easily access a web browser, I suggest you check the
following URL: .
Most of the way down is a link to our collective mail log, so you can
see what we have been talking about so far. (Some of having to do
with you.)
Apparently in more ways than one I am the most senior person on the
project team so far (the others are a junior and two seniors), So
I guess I'm the current senior spokesperson.
dsc
From bhokanson@che2.che.umn.edu Sat Jan 10 15:36:58 1998
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From: brad hokanson
Subject: Joining
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David; thanks for your contact.
I've been thinking about you guys and am leaning toward working with you. I
hope you find my input helpful.
I'd show you my web site but that machine is in parts now. A class I taught
last summer still has a site at http://128.101.88.19/DHA5384/mmd.html Some
are good and others are obscure.
Ill bring stuff to show.
Brad Hokanson
UC Coordinator
Department of Design, Housing, and Apparel
University of MInnesota, St. Paul.
612.624.4918 voice
612.624.2750 fax
From bhokanson@che2.che.umn.edu Sat Jan 10 15:41:49 1998
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Just saw your page; and whether you are a grandfather or not, I'll be
getting my AAUP card before you do.
Later.
Brad Hokanson
UC Coordinator
Department of Design, Housing, and Apparel
University of MInnesota, St. Paul.
612.624.4918 voice
612.624.2750 fax
From bhokanson@che2.che.umn.edu Sat Jan 10 15:47:24 1998
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Two dogs (Maggie and Gennie), no allergies.
Pinhole cameras? Cool.
Blackbirds. Hmmm. Me too.
Didn't get the daffodils planted; time to force 'em.
Have some orchids, tulips, raspberries.
I've seen the Bayeaux Tapestry, but don't have much of a recollection.
Brad Hokanson
UC Coordinator
Department of Design, Housing, and Apparel
University of MInnesota, St. Paul.
612.624.4918 voice
612.624.2750 fax
From bhokanson@che2.che.umn.edu Sat Jan 10 16:24:21 1998
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http://128.101.88.19/hokanson/brad is my web page.
Brad Hokanson
UC Coordinator
Department of Design, Housing, and Apparel
University of MInnesota, St. Paul.
612.624.4918 voice
612.624.2750 fax
From escargo Mon Jan 12 10:04:39 1998
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From: escargo (David S. Cargo)
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I looked at your web page. It looks like it needs a DOCTYPE
declaration at the top of it. When I opened it in my Netscape 3 client
under UNIX, it wasn't formatted at all, just showing up as HTML.
OK, I just checked it out with Windows 95 and MS Internet Explorer 4,
and things did show up. So there is some browser sensitivity issues
involved. How messy.
Details, details.
See yo in class today.
dsc
From bhokanson@che2.che.umn.edu Mon Jan 12 21:16:59 1998
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Subject: 128.101.88.19/hokanson/brad......HTML
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Needed an extension added to the file name, it's now "brad.html"
small things.
brad
Brad Hokanson
612.624.4918
Department of Design Housing and Apparel
University of Minnesota
From escargo Tue Jan 13 08:45:40 1998
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I guess that makes sense. I put a link to your web page on
my project page. Now I will update to reflect the change.
It also looks like I might have misread your phone number;
I was misreading it as -9918.
dsc
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Phone is 624-4918.
Brad Hokanson
UC Coordinator
Department of Design, Housing, and Apparel
University of MInnesota, St. Paul.
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I had figured that out. It was just a case of misreading a 4 (with a closed
triangle) as a 9 (with a loop).
I hope to have more time to work on the page tonight, just to centralize
some of our musings.
dsc
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OK here's for the mail list.
the list name should be....
calvin-ui98@dagobah.stwing.upenn.edu
The addresses I will send
escargo@network.com
dang0019@itlabs.umn.edu
ryex0006@itlabs.umn.edu
corey@itlabs.umn.edu
bhokanson@che2.che.umn.edu
I'll send a mail by the new list as soon as I have confirmation of
activation.
-Corey-
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Just filling in the holes in the grid.
Work phone 626-8946
secondary email carl0378@tc.umn.edu
Later,
-Corey-
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